Connor Hayes speaks with Jan Fermon, lead solicitor in the case in which the Belgium Court of Cassation ruled the PKK is not a terrorist organisation, about the implications of the Belgian court ruling, the PKKs broader struggle for decriminalisation, and the future of resistance in the war on terror era.

Jan Fermon is the Secretary General of the International Association of Democratic Lawyers. He has defended victims of genocide in Rwanda, victims of war crimes committed by US troops in Baghdad, and since the 1990’s, he has been defending Kurdish and progressive Turkish activists and organisations against both repression in Turkey and against criminalisation in Europe.

Connor Hayes is a graduate student in sociology at the University of Cambridge. He is an activist, researcher, and a lover of philosophy. He was a member of the 2019 International Peace Delegation to Imrali.

This interview is sponsored by the Campaign Against Criminalising Communities ( and the Peace in Kurdistan Campaign.